Wednesday, May 11, 2011

The flaws of a group debate.

Large group debates are a cumbersome debacle. The one we held in class recently met the requirements of a cumbersome debacle. The problems with group debates (especially large ones) is that an oligarchy quickly forms. Those in the oligarchy are the ones usually scoring up the word count not neccasarily because they are right or even cerebral but because they are most personably assertive. Proffessor Bogacka gave incentive to the groups by openly declaring extra credit to the one who wins the debate. However, debates are tricky affairs that are often used by educators to clarify arguments and not distinguish which position trumps the other. In both of the groups in our class, they were many that remaiend quiet, cowed almost. There were others who loudly (Myself included) argued their views (murky views). The reason why the views were murky was because we were assigned to believe in positions that we did not have the freedom to choose. How can one believe in a position through arbitrary circumstance (a flip of the coin or the whimsical decision?). It's like telling rabid aboritionists to argue for stem cell research or else they'll lose their households. I suspect that people did not take the debate seriously. Or else they saw at as a redudant excercise to be tolerated but not all celebrated or even considered as applicable to their daily lives. Who won the argument? It's hard to say. There was ample amounts of duplicitious on both sides. Determining the winner is as arbitrary as picking a side. The debate left me unsettled and unsatisified. Why should I care? It's just a limitied excercise, right? These debates are fraught with fallacies and outspoken viewpoints that insist upon themselves to the point where things are right because they sound right. Right? And why does one engage in debates? To gratify ones one ego? And why should an individual be so invested in a frivilious debate? That kind of conduct is loser-ish. The oligarchy usurps the group and points are almost always fallible. Unsatisfactory conclusions and people flinging extrinsic arguments back and forth. Is that a debate? And why type a blog post about it? What function does it serve? Well, this is, ultimatley, a request to the proffessor to either dole out extra credit to both groups or none at all. I proport none at all.

5 comments:

  1. Richard, your concerns are noted, and I'll ask everyone to responed to your blog post in class on Friday.

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  2. I don’t understand why you’re making this such a big deal. It’s the second class debate we had. The first class debate didn’t go so bad and you didn’t seem to object to it. Also, Ms. B told the class two weeks in advance that we would be having another class discussion about what the topic would be. Neither you nor anyone in the class had any objections. You’re saying how it’s unfair that she assigned us our debates? It’s her class, she assigns what she wants. If a teacher tells us to write a 6 page paper about how abortion is bad, you might not agree or believe in it, nonetheless, you’ll have to because your grade depends on it.

    However, this class debate was for extra credit, participation wasn’t necessary unless you wanted the credit. Before the professor even flipped the coin in class she gave us the option to choose. She gave a chance to the class to interject their disapproval. You participated without voicing your opinion on the matter beforehand and yet, you still complain how unfair it is. It’s like you had the opportunity to vote and choose which president to manage our country but when the president is chosen, you disapprove. You criticize and complain about the president and the decisions made upon the country, when in reality, you shouldn’t even be complaining at all because you didn’t place a vote. It’s the same with the class debate. You had your chance to express how you felt way before the class discussion, but you kept silent and up until now you protest against it? So who are you to be criticizing how other students in the classroom didn’t participate? Fact of the matter, you shouldn’t even have a say in complaining but the beauty of this country is our freedom of speech and expression. With that being said, you should not be whining and moaning, but rather have Ms. B post the video and may the best team win.

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  3. Hello Richard,

    Although you have some valid points in your argument I must say Mrs. B always does often repeat in class that it is a dictatorship and not a democracy. We all have to do things we don't want at one point just like in the debate I wanted to be in the other group but I wasn't, but that's the beauty of it you get to see the argument from the other perspective. The argument probably won't be as strong because of the fact that it is not actually what you want but nevertheless you get to see it from some other perspective.

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  4. I SAY WE SHOULD HAVE A REMATCH AND MAKE EVERYONE PARTICIPATE ...

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  5. Uh...I was drunk when i wrote this.

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